Comments on: An Open Debate About Open Borders http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/12/an-open-debate-about-open-borders/ Immigration News, Analysis, and Activism Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:46:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cujo47 http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/12/an-open-debate-about-open-borders/#comment-4528 cujo47 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:42:57 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=4087#comment-4528 I hope you are wrong also, but am very afraid that this is what it is all about and is known by both parties. It is all about their globalisation and the GOP is as involved as the dems. I hope you are wrong also, but am very afraid that this is what it is all about and is known by both parties. It is all about their globalisation and the GOP is as involved as the dems.

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By: TiredVet http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/12/an-open-debate-about-open-borders/#comment-4010 TiredVet Sun, 01 Jan 2012 05:32:39 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=4087#comment-4010 Yes....excellent article. Having had the unique experience of being on all sides of this issue, I have to agree totally. None of these Libs would be so quick to promote open borders if they came to work one day, only to find an illegal alien at their desk, and they were sent home. Another issue...the health of nations...when I was working in Immigration Detention, during the early '80's, I routinely spoke with aliens from Central America, who were using political asylum as way into the country. They claimed they had to flee being persecuted. I always posed the question to them "If we have these problems here in America, where will you run to?" Not once did I get a response. My response to them was to ask what good they were to me if their idea of facing persecution was to run away, rather than fight for their country. Perhaps patriotism is a bad word to the Libs, but to me it means something. It is what made the Continental Army survive horrifying conditions to eventually prevail. The health of the other nations matters as well. The Dream Act is a perfect example of that. Those countries need the constant supply of educated youth to move forward. It does them no good if their best and brightest all come here and stay. If they want their youth educated in order to benefit their country, then let their government pay whatever the tuition is, so the students don't have to work. They can study, and return home to benefit their own country. On a more realistic level...I attended Community College, after Viet Nam, in Southern California. There were many Mexican students attending there, and they happily paid full tuition to get the better quaity of education. The argument for open borders rings hollow in real life. If we have no right to deny a person entry to our country, then how do we have the right to deny them entry to our home? We have to have some ability to do what is best for ourselves as a nation....and we should be able to expect the same from the citizens of other nations. The vast difference between our relationship with Canada, versus our relationship with Mexico is evidence of that. We can have virtually open borders with Canada because they play pretty much by the same rules we do. My firm belief about why the current regime is trying so hard to maintain open borders is far more sinister. If we keep the southern border porous, when Mexico collapses into a warlord run economy, we will be overrun with "refugees"......a very different status from "illegal alien", at least in the world's view. Refugees means the U.N. can come in to manage them.....and we will never get them out....I hope I'm wrong... Yes….excellent article.
Having had the unique experience of being on all sides of this issue, I have to agree totally. None of these Libs would be so quick to promote open borders if they came to work one day, only to find an illegal alien at their desk, and they were sent home.

Another issue…the health of nations…when I was working in Immigration Detention, during the early ’80′s, I routinely spoke with aliens from Central America, who were using political asylum as way into the country. They claimed they had to flee being persecuted. I always posed the question to them “If we have these problems here in America, where will you run to?” Not once did I get a response. My response to them was to ask what good they were to me if their idea of facing persecution was to run away, rather than fight for their country. Perhaps patriotism is a bad word to the Libs, but to me it means something. It is what made the Continental Army survive horrifying conditions to eventually prevail.
The health of the other nations matters as well. The Dream Act is a perfect example of that. Those countries need the constant supply of educated youth to move forward. It does them no good if their best and brightest all come here and stay. If they want their youth educated in order to benefit their country, then let their government pay whatever the tuition is, so the students don’t have to work. They can study, and return home to benefit their own country. On a more realistic level…I attended Community College, after Viet Nam, in Southern California. There were many Mexican students attending there, and they happily paid full tuition to get the better quaity of education.

The argument for open borders rings hollow in real life. If we have no right to deny a person entry to our country, then how do we have the right to deny them entry to our home? We have to have some ability to do what is best for ourselves as a nation….and we should be able to expect the same from the citizens of other nations. The vast difference between our relationship with Canada, versus our relationship with Mexico is evidence of that. We can have virtually open borders with Canada because they play pretty much by the same rules we do.

My firm belief about why the current regime is trying so hard to maintain open borders is far more sinister. If we keep the southern border porous, when Mexico collapses into a warlord run economy, we will be overrun with “refugees”……a very different status from “illegal alien”, at least in the world’s view. Refugees means the U.N. can come in to manage them…..and we will never get them out….I hope I’m wrong…

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By: Jeff Lewis http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/12/an-open-debate-about-open-borders/#comment-4001 Jeff Lewis Sun, 01 Jan 2012 00:07:49 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=4087#comment-4001 I don't recall the last time I said "EXCELLENT ARTICLE" about an overview of the immigration (legal and illegal) debate, but the "Open Debate About Open Borders" article warrants it. I'm not into shouting matches, but have made numerous observations that mirror the author's of this article, and share his frustration with the "limousine" eggheads and anarcho-libertarians. I usually find they are one of two types of idiot, useful or blithering, or both. I would make one addition to the title and the premise. The open debate about open borders needs to be an "honest" one, and THAT is something that is very hard to find. In my dealings with Members of Congress, state legislators, inside-the-Beltway think tanks, media pundits, etc..., few are able or willing to have an open, honest discussion/debate about immigration, but suffice to say, the problem is unsurpassed in world history, and tens of thousands of Americans have for the chaos of unfettered legal and illegal immigration since 9/11/2001 WITH THEIR LIVES! PRESS RELEASE: http://firecoalition.com/docs/RCG-11-1-11.pdf VIDEO of FIRE Coalition's 45 minute press conference on Capitol Hill, Nov. 3, 2011 can be viewed here: http://OperationBodyCount.com Until a situation or set of circumstances are properly identified as a problem, the solution or resolution is unattainable. As one of our partner organization's leadership tells his group often: "If you don't know where you are going, ANY road will get you there." Jeff Lewis, National Director, FIRE Coalition I don’t recall the last time I said “EXCELLENT ARTICLE” about an overview of the immigration (legal and illegal) debate, but the “Open Debate About Open Borders” article warrants it.

I’m not into shouting matches, but have made numerous observations that mirror the author’s of this article, and share his frustration with the “limousine” eggheads and anarcho-libertarians. I usually find they are one of two types of idiot, useful or blithering, or both.

I would make one addition to the title and the premise. The open debate about open borders needs to be an “honest” one, and THAT is something that is very hard to find.

In my dealings with Members of Congress, state legislators, inside-the-Beltway think tanks, media pundits, etc…, few are able or willing to have an open, honest discussion/debate about immigration, but suffice to say, the problem is unsurpassed in world history, and tens of thousands of Americans have for the chaos of unfettered legal and illegal immigration since 9/11/2001 WITH THEIR LIVES!

PRESS RELEASE: http://firecoalition.com/docs/RCG-11-1-11.pdf
VIDEO of FIRE Coalition’s 45 minute press conference on Capitol Hill, Nov. 3, 2011 can be viewed here: http://OperationBodyCount.com

Until a situation or set of circumstances are properly identified as a problem, the solution or resolution is unattainable. As one of our partner organization’s leadership tells his group often: “If you don’t know where you are going, ANY road will get you there.”

Jeff Lewis, National Director, FIRE Coalition

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By: Ricardo http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/12/an-open-debate-about-open-borders/#comment-3943 Ricardo Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:49:17 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=4087#comment-3943 Good article; posted on my blog: http://forums.christianity.com/fb.aspx?m=5404174 Also on the post's bottom are links to help fight this scurge pass them on. Ricardo Good article; posted on my blog:

http://forums.christianity.com/fb.aspx?m=5404174

Also on the post’s bottom are links to help fight this scurge pass them on.

Ricardo

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