Comments on: David Horowitz Does Battle At Brooklyn College http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/ Immigration News, Analysis, and Activism Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:07:44 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jonas http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-487 Jonas Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:07:44 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-487 Kaffiyah: Muhammad the "prophet" of Islam was an epileptic. He was known to have seizures. Islamic sources verify this. Furthermore, he married a child-bride, Aisha, when she was the age of 6, then consummated (meaning to have sex with) that marriage at the age of 9. Islamic sources also verify this, as well. I am not a Muslim, regardless of the fact that Muslims "consider" me to be one by birth. If they want to call me a Muslim, I'm going to call them bigoted scumbags and throw their shithead "prophet" and fake "Allah" back at their faces. I am not a Muslim and I never will be because Muhammad was a fraud and Allah doesn't exist. Kaffiyah: Muhammad the “prophet” of Islam was an epileptic. He was known to have seizures. Islamic sources verify this. Furthermore, he married a child-bride, Aisha, when she was the age of 6, then consummated (meaning to have sex with) that marriage at the age of 9. Islamic sources also verify this, as well.

I am not a Muslim, regardless of the fact that Muslims “consider” me to be one by birth. If they want to call me a Muslim, I’m going to call them bigoted scumbags and throw their shithead “prophet” and fake “Allah” back at their faces. I am not a Muslim and I never will be because Muhammad was a fraud and Allah doesn’t exist.

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By: kaffiyah http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-486 kaffiyah Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:59:40 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-486 Jonas-you don't make any sense, stop typing Jonas-you don’t make any sense, stop typing

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By: Jonas http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-485 Jonas Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:53:28 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-485 "Claiming Muslims didn’t exist is subjective to the religion. Muslims consider the “jews” who followed Moses, Abraham, and all other prophets to be “muslims” because it was all one religion, following one God, following all the prophets. Judaism stops at Moses whereas Islam continues to Jesus and ends at Muhammad- the seal of the prophets. Muslim/Jew is subjective to their religion therefore saying either is incorrect is incorrect." They can claim it all they like, but people who do not follow Islam are not Muslims. Muslims are the bigoted and subjective ones, not those who refuse to believe in their false and non-existent Allah and epileptic child-marrying "prophet" Muhammad. “Claiming Muslims didn’t exist is subjective to the religion. Muslims consider the “jews” who followed Moses, Abraham, and all other prophets to be “muslims” because it was all one religion, following one God, following all the prophets. Judaism stops at Moses whereas Islam continues to Jesus and ends at Muhammad- the seal of the prophets. Muslim/Jew is subjective to their religion therefore saying either is incorrect is incorrect.”

They can claim it all they like, but people who do not follow Islam are not Muslims. Muslims are the bigoted and subjective ones, not those who refuse to believe in their false and non-existent Allah and epileptic child-marrying “prophet” Muhammad.

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By: kaffiyah http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-484 kaffiyah Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:41:00 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-484 1) Hamas and Islam are not the same thing- he stood up for Muslims therefore he is tolerant and you need a dictionary 2) What does Hamas do that you want people to condemn? the killing of innocent civilians because Israel does the same therefore if you want to condemn Hamas then condemn Israel as well. Also, that is the only ISSUE you have with Hamas and disregard everything else they do. It is forbidden in Islam to kill innocent people and the prophet even goes so far as to say breaking the branches of trees or cutting them down on your way or during your fight in a war.. therefore YES ALL MUSLIMS CONDEMN the killing of innocent people. Just because Muslims do these things DOES NOT make it a part of the religion which CLEARLY forbids it. If a muslim does not condemn it, then they are wrong NOT the religion. When a Christian shoots up a mall, no one says Christianity made him do it EVEN if he screamed IN THE NAME OF GOD while doing it. The religion is free from the acts of indecency just as Islam is. 3) PICK UP A DICTIONARY and learn what Jihad is because CLEARLY you DO NOT know. Jihad means struggle - ANY struggle and it is mostly used in a struggle against oneself to fight off certain desires such as anger. I don't know you think Jihad is but accusing someone of being pro-jihad would be a compliment. It means they show discipline. 4) CLEARLY you need to go back and read- we have an ISLAMIC SOCIETY NOT AN MSA! An MSA is a Muslims student association which is an organization. Islamic Society is NOT the same thing hence it has a different name. Now you are REALLY generalizing ALL Muslims! 5) Claiming Muslims didn't exist is subjective to the religion. Muslims consider the "jews" who followed Moses, Abraham, and all other prophets to be "muslims" because it was all one religion, following one God, following all the prophets. Judaism stops at Moses whereas Islam continues to Jesus and ends at Muhammad- the seal of the prophets. Muslim/Jew is subjective to their religion therefore saying either is incorrect is incorrect. 6) The Holy Land is known to be a place where there has ALWAYS been bloodshed- I wont deny that there were attacks on Jews but you cannot deny the opposite occurring- either way there was no massacre like that done in 1948. Also the idea of Zionism and getting rid of all the Palestinians existed since 1800. 7) And as for your "history lesson" - all there is in that article is ACCUSATIONS but NO PROOF. just because she CLAIMS there are a spin-off of the Muslim Brotherhood does not make it true. If it were, she would be able to prove it. there is no such thing as "deleted proof" because you can find ANYTHING if you do your research. 1) Hamas and Islam are not the same thing- he stood up for Muslims therefore he is tolerant and you need a dictionary

2) What does Hamas do that you want people to condemn? the killing of innocent civilians because Israel does the same therefore if you want to condemn Hamas then condemn Israel as well.
Also, that is the only ISSUE you have with Hamas and disregard everything else they do. It is forbidden in Islam to kill innocent people and the prophet even goes so far as to say breaking the branches of trees or cutting them down on your way or during your fight in a war.. therefore YES ALL MUSLIMS CONDEMN the killing of innocent people. Just because Muslims do these things DOES NOT make it a part of the religion which CLEARLY forbids it. If a muslim does not condemn it, then they are wrong NOT the religion. When a Christian shoots up a mall, no one says Christianity made him do it EVEN if he screamed IN THE NAME OF GOD while doing it. The religion is free from the acts of indecency just as Islam is.

3) PICK UP A DICTIONARY and learn what Jihad is because CLEARLY you DO NOT know. Jihad means struggle – ANY struggle and it is mostly used in a struggle against oneself to fight off certain desires such as anger. I don’t know you think Jihad is but accusing someone of being pro-jihad would be a compliment. It means they show discipline.

4) CLEARLY you need to go back and read- we have an ISLAMIC SOCIETY NOT AN MSA! An MSA is a Muslims student association which is an organization. Islamic Society is NOT the same thing hence it has a different name. Now you are REALLY generalizing ALL Muslims!

5) Claiming Muslims didn’t exist is subjective to the religion. Muslims consider the “jews” who followed Moses, Abraham, and all other prophets to be “muslims” because it was all one religion, following one God, following all the prophets. Judaism stops at Moses whereas Islam continues to Jesus and ends at Muhammad- the seal of the prophets. Muslim/Jew is subjective to their religion therefore saying either is incorrect is incorrect.

6) The Holy Land is known to be a place where there has ALWAYS been bloodshed- I wont deny that there were attacks on Jews but you cannot deny the opposite occurring- either way there was no massacre like that done in 1948. Also the idea of Zionism and getting rid of all the Palestinians existed since 1800.

7) And as for your “history lesson” – all there is in that article is ACCUSATIONS but NO PROOF. just because she CLAIMS there are a spin-off of the Muslim Brotherhood does not make it true. If it were, she would be able to prove it. there is no such thing as “deleted proof” because you can find ANYTHING if you do your research.

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By: G. Perry http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-483 G. Perry Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:14:03 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-483 "...he is a decent human being standing up for ALL people’s rights not just his own." This merely serves to illustrate your warped value system. No one who is a truly decent human being would have anything but utter contempt for Hamas, whose platform is a mirror image of the NSDAP's in Nazi Era Gemany. Secondly, whether he is a Muslim or merely a radical socialist who sympathizes with Islamist fanatics is immaterial to this discussion. He is a foot soldier in global jihad, as Mr. Horowitz pointed out during his illuminating lecture. "He also was NEVER asked to condemn Hamas- liar." Incorrect. Watch the video footage which I posted above and you'll realize how absurd your assertion is. He was asked point-blank to condemn Hamas and he demurred. "WE DO NOT AVE AN MSA ON CAMPUS." Your indignation doesn't compensate for your ignorance, sorry. http://students.brooklyn.cuny.edu/text/direct/islamic.htm As for point #5, I never claimed that Arabs weren't living in Israel prior to the creation of the modern Jewish state. I merely asserted that MUSLIMS did not exist in any form within Judea or Samaria, the so-called occupied territories, or anywhere else in Israel, until many millennia after the arrival of Jews. If by "peaceful" co-existence you mean periodic pograms directed against the Jewish population, then yes, Israel was very "peaceful" before 1948. And unlike the fictitious "massacres" of "Palestinians," the slaughter of native Jews was all to real. http://www.zionism-israel.com/Hebron_Massacre1929.htm As to the origin of the Muslim Students Association, I will give you a little history lesson, by way of Diana West, since you seem to be in dire need of some proper education: http://bigpeace.com/teamb/2010/11/14/whos-who-in-the-american-muslim-brotherhood/ <i>As we have seen, the Muslim Student Association (MSA) was the first Muslim Brotherhood entity formed in the United States at the University of Illinois, Urbana campus in 1962-63. The MSA has chapters at nearly every major college and university campus in the United States making it the most visible and influential of all Islamic student organizations in North America. The MSA is a point of recruitment for the Muslim Brotherhood and for jihadis.The MSA’s own website previously noted that all major Muslim organizations in America grew out of the MSA.</i> “…he is a decent human being standing up for ALL people’s rights not just his own.”

This merely serves to illustrate your warped value system. No one who is a truly decent human being would have anything but utter contempt for Hamas, whose platform is a mirror image of the NSDAP’s in Nazi Era Gemany.

Secondly, whether he is a Muslim or merely a radical socialist who sympathizes with Islamist fanatics is immaterial to this discussion. He is a foot soldier in global jihad, as Mr. Horowitz pointed out during his illuminating lecture.

“He also was NEVER asked to condemn Hamas- liar.”

Incorrect. Watch the video footage which I posted above and you’ll realize how absurd your assertion is. He was asked point-blank to condemn Hamas and he demurred.

“WE DO NOT AVE AN MSA ON CAMPUS.”

Your indignation doesn’t compensate for your ignorance, sorry.

http://students.brooklyn.cuny.edu/text/direct/islamic.htm

As for point #5, I never claimed that Arabs weren’t living in Israel prior to the creation of the modern Jewish state. I merely asserted that MUSLIMS did not exist in any form within Judea or Samaria, the so-called occupied territories, or anywhere else in Israel, until many millennia after the arrival of Jews.

If by “peaceful” co-existence you mean periodic pograms directed against the Jewish population, then yes, Israel was very “peaceful” before 1948. And unlike the fictitious “massacres” of “Palestinians,” the slaughter of native Jews was all to real.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/Hebron_Massacre1929.htm

As to the origin of the Muslim Students Association, I will give you a little history lesson, by way of Diana West, since you seem to be in dire need of some proper education:

http://bigpeace.com/teamb/2010/11/14/whos-who-in-the-american-muslim-brotherhood/

As we have seen, the Muslim Student Association (MSA) was the first Muslim Brotherhood entity formed in the United States at the University of Illinois, Urbana campus in 1962-63. The MSA has chapters at nearly every major college and university campus in the United States making it the most visible and influential of all Islamic student organizations in North America. The MSA is a point of recruitment for the Muslim Brotherhood and for jihadis.The MSA’s own website previously noted that all major Muslim organizations in America grew out of the MSA.

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By: J.Mittelman http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-482 J.Mittelman Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:54:22 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-482 You can't blame muslims who were taught from birth a twisted history of the world as it applies to them. When you constantly hear the same lies, distortions, and misleading history as they do, it is impossible for them to believe anything so different as what actually happened...of which there is plenty of proof in ancient writings and artifacts. But, since ALL MUSLIMS believe in what is written in the Koran, which was written thousands of years after the Jews first learned to believe in one G-d, it doesn't matter to them. They have revised history to suit their own bible, and written in the koran is that it is just fine to lie to non believers if it achieves their ends. It may be lies to us, but it is truth to them. You can’t blame muslims who were taught from birth a twisted history of the world as it applies to them. When you constantly hear the same lies, distortions, and misleading history as they do, it is impossible for them to believe anything so different as what actually happened…of which there is plenty of proof in ancient writings and artifacts. But, since ALL MUSLIMS believe in what is written in the Koran, which was written thousands of years after the Jews first learned to believe in one G-d, it doesn’t matter to them. They have revised history to suit their own bible, and written in the koran is that it is just fine to lie to non believers if it achieves their ends.
It may be lies to us, but it is truth to them.

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By: kaffiyah http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-481 kaffiyah Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:51:04 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-481 1)The guy who spoke is NOT Muslim- which proves a) you are a liar, b) you are generalizing to make yourself sound plausible, c) he is a decent human being standing up for ALL people's rights not just his own. He also was NEVER asked to condemn Hamas- liar. 2)By saying Muslims hate Jews and spreading all these lies about them, all Horowitz is doing is what he says Muslims do. He hates Muslims and is accusing them of hating Jews. Hypocrisy anyone? 3) WE DO NOT AVE AN MSA ON CAMPUS- which proves again how ignorant you are and what a liar you are. 4) Mr. Genius Perry- Jews believe in the same God as Muslims so denying the God Muslims believe in is denying their own God. 5) Yes the SEMITES were there, in Palestine, hundreds of years ago. If you were smart you'd know that Arabs and Jews AKA Semites are the SAME people who CAME FROM the SAME people following the SAME prophets Jacob and those after him. LEARN YOUR HISTORY! 6) If Muslims only cared about conquering and did so with religious intolerance, then why is it a fact of history that Jewish scholars ONLY flourished under Muslim rule in Spain? Could it be that Muslims and Jews both had religious tolerance and worked together in a productive society? LEARN YOUR HISTORY! Also, why is it that Muslims and Jews lived together PERFECTLY FINE AND PEACEFULLY before 1948 when the Israelis MASSACRED and kicked out the Palestinians and wiped off 500 Palestinian villages in order to make room for the European Jews that no one else would allow into THEIR countries after WWII? YES the ARAB JEWS were there from hundreds of years ago but NOT the European and American Jews that are moving in now and have been since the "creation" of Israel. LEARN YOUR HISTORY! 7) If there was no such thing as "Palestine," Mr. Genius, then who is Horowitz referring to when he says Palestinians? MORON! And why does Hertzl, the father of zionism, refer to that land as PALESTINE?! LEARN YOUR HISTORY! 8) Lauren- GROW UP & PLEASE STOP BEING SUCH A MORON! I think it rubs off on you people. Being Israeli and being a Jew and not equal or the same therefore if you had an Israeli flag, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING JEWISH! When will you people stop crying anti-semite, anti-Jewish when in fact there is NO RELATION to what you got in trouble for?! 9)Zionist does NOT equal Israeli and they both do NOT equal Jewish. PICK UP A DICTIONARY! 10) Where exactly does it say that MSA is a spin-off of the Muslim Brotherhood and DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IS?!!!! Check your facts BEFORE you OPEN your mouths!!! 1)The guy who spoke is NOT Muslim- which proves a) you are a liar, b) you are generalizing to make yourself sound plausible, c) he is a decent human being standing up for ALL people’s rights not just his own.

He also was NEVER asked to condemn Hamas- liar.

2)By saying Muslims hate Jews and spreading all these lies about them, all Horowitz is doing is what he says Muslims do. He hates Muslims and is accusing them of hating Jews. Hypocrisy anyone?

3) WE DO NOT AVE AN MSA ON CAMPUS- which proves again how ignorant you are and what a liar you are.

4) Mr. Genius Perry- Jews believe in the same God as Muslims so denying the God Muslims believe in is denying their own God.

5) Yes the SEMITES were there, in Palestine, hundreds of years ago. If you were smart you’d know that Arabs and Jews AKA Semites are the SAME people who CAME FROM the SAME people following the SAME prophets Jacob and those after him. LEARN YOUR HISTORY!

6) If Muslims only cared about conquering and did so with religious intolerance, then why is it a fact of history that Jewish scholars ONLY flourished under Muslim rule in Spain? Could it be that Muslims and Jews both had religious tolerance and worked together in a productive society? LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
Also, why is it that Muslims and Jews lived together PERFECTLY FINE AND PEACEFULLY before 1948 when the Israelis MASSACRED and kicked out the Palestinians and wiped off 500 Palestinian villages in order to make room for the European Jews that no one else would allow into THEIR countries after WWII?
YES the ARAB JEWS were there from hundreds of years ago but NOT the European and American Jews that are moving in now and have been since the “creation” of Israel.
LEARN YOUR HISTORY!

7) If there was no such thing as “Palestine,” Mr. Genius, then who is Horowitz referring to when he says Palestinians? MORON!
And why does Hertzl, the father of zionism, refer to that land as PALESTINE?!
LEARN YOUR HISTORY!

8) Lauren- GROW UP & PLEASE STOP BEING SUCH A MORON! I think it rubs off on you people. Being Israeli and being a Jew and not equal or the same therefore if you had an Israeli flag, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING JEWISH! When will you people stop crying anti-semite, anti-Jewish when in fact there is NO RELATION to what you got in trouble for?!

9)Zionist does NOT equal Israeli and they both do NOT equal Jewish. PICK UP A DICTIONARY!

10) Where exactly does it say that MSA is a spin-off of the Muslim Brotherhood and DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IS?!!!!

Check your facts BEFORE you OPEN your mouths!!!

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By: G. Perry http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-477 G. Perry Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:14:48 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-477 <i>...and left out the others. Which include religious tolerance shown by all Americans to one another.</i> Please kindly point me to the amendment to the Constitution which commands me to "tolerate" any religion. I have an inkling as to which one you think I should be compelled to tolerate, but I'll let you speak for yourself, since you're obviously a constitutional scholar on par with the late Joseph Story. …and left out the others. Which include religious tolerance shown by all Americans to one another.

Please kindly point me to the amendment to the Constitution which commands me to “tolerate” any religion. I have an inkling as to which one you think I should be compelled to tolerate, but I’ll let you speak for yourself, since you’re obviously a constitutional scholar on par with the late Joseph Story.

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By: G. Perry http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-476 G. Perry Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:09:19 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-476 <i>I will only look at the facts...</i> How ironic, considering the two contentless screeds you've posted here. Jews were present in Israel thousands of years before Mohammed was born. There have been extant Jewish communities in what's known now as the "West Bank" throughout its occupation by the Ottoman Empire. Read, and learn: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/presence.html I will only look at the facts…

How ironic, considering the two contentless screeds you’ve posted here.

Jews were present in Israel thousands of years before Mohammed was born. There have been extant Jewish communities in what’s known now as the “West Bank” throughout its occupation by the Ottoman Empire.

Read, and learn:

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/presence.html

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By: Hiba K http://american-rattlesnake.org/2011/03/david-horowitz-does-battle-at-brooklyn-college/#comment-475 Hiba K Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:03:03 +0000 http://american-rattlesnake.org/?p=2128#comment-475 Wow. The true religion of Islam and our Prophets are not all you are lacking in education about. You have got that piece of history wrong too - it is actually Israel that does not exist. Palestine was the land promised to the people of Moses. What is now Israel, is actually stolen land from Palestine. Again, you have a bit of reading to do don't you? I am not going to listen to Horowitz' speech to know that, I will only look at the facts. You and Horowitz need a history lesson as well as a lesson on what Islam really is. You know what, I could be here all day arguing with you, contradicting your above comments with FACTS not Horowitz' speech, but I have better things to do. Like pray for your guidance. We only believe in one God. We obey whatever this one God orders us to do. And if He has sent us a Messenger/Prophet to guide us, we are obliged to follow his teachings too, as they come from God Himself. If you don't believe me, go read the Bible, the Torah, or the Quran. All are the Word of God, all mention the Prophets. See, I have Freedom of Speech too, being a fellow American. And you by the way, have very conveniently mentioned the First Amendment and left out all the others. Which include religious tolerance shown by all Americans to one another. If *I* have shown any religious intolerance, I am sorry. But my aim here was just to speak against this blasphemy, and convey MY opinion, as well as what my religion tells me to do. Tell me, I am the Muslim here and friend to lots of Arabs, who would know better about Islam, you or me? You honestly need to jam your hype, I would never 'blaspheme' my own God. God forbid. Again, read up on what you're accusing me and my religion of before you speak. Wow. The true religion of Islam and our Prophets are not all you are lacking in education about. You have got that piece of history wrong too – it is actually Israel that does not exist. Palestine was the land promised to the people of Moses. What is now Israel, is actually stolen land from Palestine. Again, you have a bit of reading to do don’t you? I am not going to listen to Horowitz’ speech to know that, I will only look at the facts. You and Horowitz need a history lesson as well as a lesson on what Islam really is. You know what, I could be here all day arguing with you, contradicting your above comments with FACTS not Horowitz’ speech, but I have better things to do. Like pray for your guidance. We only believe in one God. We obey whatever this one God orders us to do. And if He has sent us a Messenger/Prophet to guide us, we are obliged to follow his teachings too, as they come from God Himself. If you don’t believe me, go read the Bible, the Torah, or the Quran. All are the Word of God, all mention the Prophets. See, I have Freedom of Speech too, being a fellow American. And you by the way, have very conveniently mentioned the First Amendment and left out all the others. Which include religious tolerance shown by all Americans to one another. If *I* have shown any religious intolerance, I am sorry. But my aim here was just to speak against this blasphemy, and convey MY opinion, as well as what my religion tells me to do. Tell me, I am the Muslim here and friend to lots of Arabs, who would know better about Islam, you or me? You honestly need to jam your hype, I would never ‘blaspheme’ my own God. God forbid. Again, read up on what you’re accusing me and my religion of before you speak.

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